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Old 05-03-2008
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Look, what Im saying, if it's putting a woman at risk and has a medical excuse then that's acceptable but many women here in the U.S. just use it as a means of birth control. If you're having consentual sex, it's up to both the man and woman to discuss protection or some form of birth control before the deed and not after the fact.
A woman here in the U.S. can have a legal abortion up to five months pregnant. Im sorry the baby is a baby by then and not a fetus. It has a brain and nerves, it can feel the pain. At 21 weeks a baby can live out of the womb with medical help.
What Im saying is this, if you're having sex and then getting an abortion for the hell of it then keep repeating the process as a means of birth control is just wrong.
If you're getting an abortion because your own health and life is at risk, rape or incest it is acceptable.
I understand how you could feel after so many miscarraiges and the health risk presented. My wife miscarried our first child and I was devasted, it just added fuel to the fire on my drinking problem and I wasnt there emotionally for my wife which just hurted her more.
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i agree with you, that abortion is NOT a means of birth control ! ! !

but i shall remain a 'pro choice' person, because i don't feel it's MY place to tell someone they HAVE to carry a child to term and either raise the child or give the child up for adoption

i worked with a lady who's 38 year old son contacted her one day........ this left her explaining to her husband that she had a child before she met him, and that she wanted to meet her child............ her husband is extremely German in his outlook on life.......... he almost kicked her out of the house!

i can't imagine the pain of having to give up my child as she had to do back in the 50's

i can't imagine the pain of having to tell my husband of my 'dark and mysterious past' that i didn't mention in 35 years of marriage!

did i mention that i LOVE my kidlet? :)
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Old 05-04-2008
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Yes Kate you've mentioned that you LOVE your kidlet however it's lovely to hear and always worth repeating.

I hope that the days are well past when mothers are forced to give up their baby when with a little help they could care for them themselves. In the UK a lot of help is available. I can understand the distress of those mothers forced to give up their child and then having to deal with telling family about their child many years later but I hope that society is doing away with the attitude that single mothers must be immoral and any one who gives up a child for adoption is heartless.

Even though we have a hard time understanding it there are some women who just don't want any children in their life and if a woman who doesn't want a child has got to several months pregnant surely the child's rights must start to play a part in any choices she makes. There will always be disagreements about at what gestation a baby's rights must be considered but at some point they must be. A woman who gives up her child for adoption is not heartless or immoral and should be supported in that decision. Any man who condemns a woman for giving up a child for adoption is wrong - its a decision that requires great courage and compassion.

I firmly believe that a woman has choices but I find I mean different choices than other people. She can choose weather to have sex or not. She can choose weather to use contraception or not. She can choose what to do when she finds herself pregnant BUT all choices in life have to be influenced by your own moral code and often by the rights/feelings of others.

Yes I know I'm ranting again. I think that this is a subject where it's impossible for everyone to agree but for the sake of peace all sides must try and find common ground and work from there.

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Old 05-05-2008
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Jane, I love your rants. It's not a subject I think about much. Although I have at other times in my life. You express yourself well, and I seem to agree with you all the way. Keep ranting. It's helping me solidify and put into words my own beliefs.
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